{"id":166,"date":"2007-02-16T12:31:05","date_gmt":"2007-02-16T17:31:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/weeklyrob.dreamhosters.com\/?p=166"},"modified":"2007-02-16T12:31:05","modified_gmt":"2007-02-16T17:31:05","slug":"veggies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/weeklyrob.com\/?p=166","title":{"rendered":"Veggies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"line-height: 17px; padding-top: 0pt\" class=\"paragraph Body\">I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not a vegetarian. My wife is.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">If you order a bloody steak, she won\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t make a peep. If you have a dinner party and serve only meat, she won\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t complain as she tries to make her parsley garnish last until we get home to the fridge.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">In other words, she doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t have an opinion on what you eat. She doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t tell you that you should be a vegetarian. She doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t say that it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s better, or that it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s right. When pressed, which for some reason she often is, she may say that it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s right for her.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">Recently, I mentioned this vegetarianism to some people at work, and found myself, once again, dealing with those who are annoyed by vegetarians. They were annoyed with a vegetarian they had never met, simply for choosing a different set of foods to eat from.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t get it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">Why do people get so bothered by what someone else eats? Do they assume that her decision is a way to condemn them? Usually, these people complain that they don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t want vegetarians telling them what to eat. But I know a LOT of vegetarians, and they mostly just quietly eat their meals, hoping that no one pushes a hamburger on them or demands that they explain themselves.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">The pushy people are the omnivores. They\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re the ones who want to say how unnatural vegetarianism is, or how it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s no better or more honorable.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\"><span>And then, in my conversation at the office, when I mentioned that every once in a while my wife will eat a marshmallow, even though it has <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?num=100&amp;hl=en&amp;q=define:Gelatin&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=glossary_definition&amp;ct=title\" title=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?num=100&amp;hl=en&amp;q=define:Gelatin&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=glossary_definition&amp;ct=title\">gelatin<\/a><span> in it, the response was that she\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s hypocrite. Not that she sticks by her morals 99% of the time, only allowing herself the occasional little treat, but that she\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s more or less a liar for pretending to be a vegetarian.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">And then come all the stories of people who are vegetarians but wear, or sit on, leather. Sometimes I allow my eyes to roll. Sometimes I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">My take on it is pretty simple. Don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t bother me and I won\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t bother you. I know that I have morals which I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t follow to their logical conclusions. I believe in honesty, but not all the time. I believe in the law, but I still sometimes break even the ones I agree with. And there are a lot more.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">And the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153natural\u00e2\u20ac\u009d argument is a joke. People only care about what\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s natural when they want to say that someone else is wrong. Everything humans do is natural, because we evolved to have a brain that second guesses our older instincts.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">Stone-age humans ate meat when they could find it. Definitely. But the average American eats many times what stone-age humans ate. Is that natural? (And before the stone age, developing humanoids ate even less.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\"><span>But who cares, anyway? We\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re not early humans and we can learn to do things that they didn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t do. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.churchofeuthanasia.org\/e-sermons\/butcher.html\" title=\"http:\/\/www.churchofeuthanasia.org\/e-sermons\/butcher.html\">Cannibalism<\/a><span> is an ancient and widespread human (and pre-human) habit. Is that natural? Does that matter?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">And the leather thing. I guess that some people find that actually chewing and swallowing an animal feels more wrong than wearing its skin. I can understand that. We all draw lines somewhere. Many people who eat meat wouldn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t be willing to cut a chicken\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s throat to avoid eating veggie pasta for dinner. Are they hypocrites? I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t think so.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">Now that I think about it, and I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m on a roll, I get some of this same stuff for being environmentally conscious. I drive a hybrid car, when I drive. A certain kind of person can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t help pointing out that I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not perfect. For example, I use electricity, or I take a plane to visit my mom.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">Of course, my usual response is, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153No, I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not perfect, I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m just better than you.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d That\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s because I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not as sweet as my wife. I mean, go to hell. Anyway, I DO push environmentalism on my friends, so I deserve it more than my wife does.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">I guess that the parallel here is that people don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t like it when other people seem to be making moral decisions that they themselves don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t make. Good or bad.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">And it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s so wearying, because each new meat-eater or SUV driver thinks that the argument they\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re making is novel and persuasive. But, guys, we\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve heard it all before. We have the same information you do (or more) and we make a different decision.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">So. This discussion reminded me of something I posted to \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Why, Oh Why\u00e2\u20ac\u009d a couple of years ago (link to Why, Oh Why is on the right side of the main weeklyrob page). As I said at the time, this isn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t a call to action, but just some interesting thoughts:<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">If the whole world were vegetarian, here are some things that I think we would no longer have on earth, or we would never have had in the first place:<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">1. The Flu. A deadly disease that kills millions and, even when it doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t kill, costs the world billions in lost productivity and medical care. If humans stopped handling domestic birds and pigs, influenza would cease to be a concern. (There would still be a human form of the flu, I think, but it does little to no damage.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">2. SARS. Same as above.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">3. AIDS. Ok, we\u00e2\u20ac\u2122d still have AIDS if everyone BECAME vegetarian today. But scientists seem to believe that the first human cases were due to the consumption of animals. So maybe if we all became vegetarians today, we\u00e2\u20ac\u2122d avoid the next big plague that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s waiting.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">4. Ebola. Same as AIDS.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">5. Widespread Hunger. This is arguable, of course, but it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s much cheaper to grow vegetables than it is to grow animals, and it uses much less land. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s also easier to transport seeds than animals to places in need.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">5. Sadness. Just kidding.<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">6. The destruction of the rain forests. Rain forests are mainly destroyed because of the need for grazing land for cattle.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-bottom: 0pt; line-height: 17px\" class=\"paragraph Body\">Ok, we\u00e2\u20ac\u2122d need to do something about the vitamins that would be missing from a pure vegetarian diet. Other than that, though, the list is mainly positive. I can probably think of more.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not a vegetarian. My wife is. If you order a bloody steak, she won\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t make a peep. If you have a dinner party and serve only meat, she won\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t complain as she tries to make her parsley garnish last until we get home to the fridge. 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