{"id":96,"date":"2006-08-02T21:13:56","date_gmt":"2006-08-03T02:13:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/weeklyrob.dreamhosters.com\/?p=96"},"modified":"2012-08-02T18:45:45","modified_gmt":"2012-08-02T22:45:45","slug":"finding-fault-with-darwin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/weeklyrob.com\/?p=96","title":{"rendered":"Finding Fault with Darwin"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It has been pointed out that I read Seed magazine a lot. Here\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s some more.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">Homosexuality seems to be a bit of an evolutionary mystery. How could wanting to have sex with with your own sex possibly help to pass on genes?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\"><a title=\"http:\/\/www.seedmagazine.com\/news\/2006\/06\/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php\" href=\"http:\/\/www.seedmagazine.com\/news\/2006\/06\/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php\">Joan Roughgarden has some ideas.<\/a><span> She notes that literally hundreds of animals exhibit homosexual acts, and she says that typical Darwinian sexual selection just doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t explain why. So she has her own explanation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">In short, she thinks that homosexuality is selected for in social creatures to help the communities bond. &#8220;It&#8217;s like grooming, except we have lots of pleasure neurons in our genitals. When animals exhibit homosexual behavior, they are just using their genitals for a socially significant purpose.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">My problems with this article and her theory:<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">The first thing is that she (or the journalist writing the story. Or both) is not up-to-date with evolutionary theory. For example, the article claims that sexual selection can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t explain masturbation, which is a \u00e2\u20ac\u0153waste&#8230;of precious fluids\u00e2\u20ac\u009d and doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t contribute to passing on the genes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">But no modern student of evolution thinks that every single action has to pass on the genes every single time. Evolution made sex enjoyable. The idea that we figured out how to have the enjoyment without the sex doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t change a thing. We don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t need a better explanation than that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">And the article, eventually, quotes a biologist who says just that:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">I think much of what Roughgarden says is very interesting. But I think she discounts many of the modifications that have been made to sexual selection since Darwin originally proposed it. So in that sense, her Darwin is a straw man. You don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t have to dismiss the modern version of sexual selection in order to explain social bonding or homosexuality.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">But for some reason, the writer didn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t read the quote, because he introduced it by saying that most biologists think that homosexual behavior among all these animals is \u00e2\u20ac\u0153simply interesting sexual deviants, statistical outliers.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">Well, no. Saying that it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s explainable isn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t the same thing as saying that it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s an outlier. All this talk about killing the sacred cow is nonsense. There\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s no sacred cow, and she hasn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t killed it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">My next problem with the theory may come from my ignorance of its details. Every example that the article mentioned was of a temporary kind of homosexuality. That is, she didn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t note an example of an animal that paired for life with its own sex. Each type of animal had sex with its own sex, but eventually mated with the opposite sex.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">In humans, many homosexuals have no desire for the opposite sex. They\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re literally uninterested, and remain uninterested their whole lives. This doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t blow her theory out of the water, but it does draw a distinct line between all other animals mentioned in the article, and humans.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">[She does say that human attraction for one sex or the other is produced much more by social causes than we normally recognize. If we accept that idea, then I guess it could explain the difference.]<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph Body\" style=\"line-height: 17px; text-decoration: none;\">I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m glad that she\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s out there making these claims and asking these questions, because I do think it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s obvious that homosexuality needs an evolutionary explanation. I mean, it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s here to stay, and it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s always been here, and it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s interesting to figure out why. But I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t like presenting it as though there are only two ideas: hers, and old-fashioned stuff that doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t work.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It has been pointed out that I read Seed magazine a lot. Here\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s some more. Homosexuality seems to be a bit of an evolutionary mystery. How could wanting to have sex with with your own sex possibly help to pass on genes? Joan Roughgarden has some ideas. 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